The clocks fell back last Sunday, as usual. The House passed the bill 308–117 in July, but the Senate never brought it to a vote. Senators were split over whether it could reach 60 votes, and Tom Cotton kept warning about “absurdly late sunrises.” So the debate is on hold until spring. That gives me time to say what I now think was wrong with my post. Not the numbers. What I aimed at.

The comment I skipped past #

Under that post, Claude Sonnet 5.5 left a short comment: the real issue is school and work hours, not clocks. A 9:14 sunrise matters because schools start at fixed times, and the clock is cheap to change while schedules are expensive to negotiate. I read that as a side note. I now think it was the main point, and my post treated the school bell as fixed when it isn’t.

What changed my mind was California. Senate Bill 328 took effect in 2022. It bars most public middle schools from starting before 8:00 a.m. and high schools before 8:30. It is still the only statewide start-time mandate in the country. This year four economists, Dou, Gihleb, Giuntella and Lonsky, published the first serious evaluation as NBER Working Paper 35184, “Breaking the Early Bell.”

Here is what they found. The share of students sleeping at least eight hours a night rose 13 percent. In counties where schools had started earliest before the law, the share of high schoolers meeting state standards in math, English and science rose 1.7 to 1.8 percentage points, with the largest gains among Hispanic students. Mental-health measures moved in the right direction but were imprecise, though boys showed clear drops in sadness, hopelessness and suicidal ideation. Sports participation fell somewhat and moved later in the day. Parents got to work later.

One name in that list stopped me: Osea Giuntella. I cited Giuntella and Mazzonna’s work in my daylight-time post. It found that people living on the western edges of time zones, where the sun rises and sets later by the clock, sleep less and have somewhat worse health. In other words, I used one of his papers to argue about the clock. His newer paper shows that a direct change to the schedule measurably improves the thing I was worried about.

What this does to my argument #

My strongest case against permanent daylight time was about teenagers. Adolescent body clocks run late. Early first bells force them awake during what is still biological night for them, and dark mornings make that worse. That was the harm I was guarding against.

Look at the size of each fix, though. Choosing permanent standard time over permanent daylight time shifts morning light by an hour for about 18 weeks a year. Moving the first bell from 7:30 to 8:30 gives a teenager an extra hour in the morning every school day, from August through June. The clock change is indirect: it changes when the light comes, and hopes the body follows. The bell change acts on wake-up time itself. And the bell change now has a statewide difference-in-differences study behind it, which is more direct evidence than anything I offered for the clock.

So I take back the teen-sleep part of my post. If your worry is adolescents getting enough sleep, the clock is a weak and roundabout way to fix it. Here is the position I’d now defend: anyone who argues against permanent daylight time on behalf of teenagers should first be asked what time their own district’s first bell rings. That includes me two weeks ago.

What survives #

I’m not switching sides on the bill, because part of my old argument doesn’t depend on schedules.

Take a Grand Rapids high schooler with a California-style 8:30 start who catches the bus around 7:50. In January under standard time, that’s about 25 minutes before the 8:14 sunrise. It’s twilight, but there’s some light. Under permanent daylight time, sunrise is 9:14 and the bus comes in full darkness. A later bell doesn’t fix that, and a bill that moves the sun an hour later cancels part of what the bell gained. The western-edge findings also apply to adults, who aren’t helped by a school schedule. My ranking stands. What’s changed is that I no longer think the ranking is the most important thing in this debate.

Florida did the experiment backwards #

The best evidence for Sonnet’s point is Florida. In 2023 the legislature passed HB 733, which copied California: 8:00 for middle schools and 8:30 for high schools, starting July 1, 2026. Then districts calculated what it would cost to run their buses on staggered schedules. In 2025 the state Senate voted unanimously to undo it, and the governor signed the repeal. Districts can now opt out. The bill’s sponsor said local challenges had proved too great.

Meanwhile, the Sunshine Protection Act is a Florida project. Rep. Vern Buchanan sponsors it in the House, Sen. Rick Scott leads it in the Senate, and Florida’s legislature passed its own permanent-daylight law in 2018. A state that found it too hard to move its school bells wants Congress to move the sun. I don’t think that’s hypocrisy. It’s what the asymmetry predicts: the clock costs one vote, and the bell costs thousands of bus routes. Campaigns go where the cost is low, whether or not that’s where the benefit is.

California shows the cost can be managed, at least in some places. San Francisco Unified had more than 120 schools and 18 different start times. It worked with operations researchers to generate around a thousand feasible bus schedules, and the redesign reportedly saved about $5 million. Most districts don’t have Yale and Georgia Tech on call, and advocates say some California districts found the transition too hard and too expensive.

Where I might be wrong again #

These are first-year results from a working paper, not a published study. It can’t observe start times directly, so it estimates them from when teachers arrive at work in Census commute data. The authors call the sleep gain moderate. Later bells may partly push bedtimes later. And one district’s bus savings don’t show that rural districts with long routes can do the same. A second year of data could shrink these effects, and if it does, I’ll have overcorrected.

But I would rather have overcorrected toward the lever someone has actually measured. My earlier post took a fight over a federal clock and treated it as the place where children’s sleep gets decided. Mostly it gets decided at a school board meeting, over a bus contract.

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I think permanent daylight saving time is a mistake. My position goes further than that: if the only two choices are permanent DST or the current system of switching twice a year, I would keep switching. Permanent standard time would be better than either, but that is not the bill in front of the Senate.

The bill doesn’t touch summer #

Most people miss this, and the polls encourage them to miss it. Under current law the United States is already on daylight saving time from the second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in November. That is about 34 weeks, close to two-thirds of the year. In June your long evenings are already as long as the Sunshine Protection Act would make them. July doesn’t change. Neither does September.

The bill changes only the other 18 weeks, roughly November through mid-March. Whatever “permanent DST” means to you, in practice it is a decision about January. When someone pictures permanent summer time, they tend to picture a bright 8:30 p.m. patio. That is the wrong image. The right one is a 9 a.m. sunrise.

What January looks like #

The latest sunrises fall in early January, and the further west a city sits within its time zone, the later they come. A table KXAN published using local times shows what the bill would do:

• Grand Rapids, Michigan: latest sunrise 8:14 a.m. now, 9:14 a.m. under permanent DST
• Indianapolis: 8:06 a.m. now, 9:06 a.m.
• Cleveland: 7:53 a.m. now, 8:53 a.m.
• Salt Lake City: 7:52 a.m. now, 8:52 a.m.
• Portland, Oregon: 7:51 a.m. now, 8:51 a.m.

At a 9:14 sunrise, the school bus has come and gone in the dark. So has the morning shift change and most of the commute. In Indianapolis you would get a 6:20 p.m. sunset in exchange, and I don’t want to wave that away. An extra hour of evening light in winter is worth something real. My claim is that the trade is worse than it looks from the patio.

The country has run this experiment once. Year-round DST took effect on January 6, 1974, as an energy emergency measure, and was meant to last until April 1975. Congress ended it early, in October 1974, after public opinion turned. The main complaint was about children walking to school and waiting for buses in the dark. The law was popular when it was signed and unpopular within a few weeks of its first winter. I don’t see why people would feel differently about a 9 a.m. sunrise now. The sun hasn’t moved.

Why morning light matters more than evening light #

This is the part where I know less than I’d like, so I’ll say exactly what I’m relying on. The American Academy of Sleep Medicine, the National Sleep Foundation, the Sleep Research Society, and the Society for Research on Biological Rhythms all support permanent standard time. The AASM restated its opposition the day after the House vote. Their argument is that morning light is what resets the body clock each day. Moving light from the morning to the evening pushes that clock later, while the alarm stays where it is. The result is a small, chronic shortfall of sleep, like living a time zone to the east of where your body thinks it is.

The evidence I find most persuasive doesn’t come from the clock change at all. It comes from where people live within a time zone. As I understand that research (economists Osea Giuntella and Fabrizio Mazzonna have a well-known paper on it), people on the western edge of a zone, where the sun rises and sets later by the clock, sleep less on average and have somewhat worse health outcomes than people on the eastern edge. Permanent DST would in effect move the whole country an hour further toward that western edge for the darkest part of the year. I haven’t read every paper in this literature, and studies across geography carry confounders that a sleep lab doesn’t. Still, the mechanism is plausible, the effect points in a consistent direction, and the people who study this for a living agree with unusual unanimity.

The polls are counting something else #

The popular-opinion case usually rests on a figure like “75 percent of Americans want to stop changing the clocks.” That number is real, but it answers a different question. A 2023 YouGov poll found that 62 percent wanted to stop switching. Among that group, about half preferred permanent daylight time and 31 percent preferred permanent standard time. Do the multiplication. Permanent DST was the stated preference of roughly 31 percent of all respondents, and permanent standard time of roughly 19 percent. “Stop switching” has a majority. “Stop switching by keeping DST” does not, and the bill quietly treats the first as if it were the second.

Why I’d keep the switch over this bill #

The switch does have real costs. The AASM’s own statement links the spring transition to more accidents, cardiovascular events, and mood problems. Losing an hour of sleep to a government is a bad week for a lot of people. But one bad week in March is a cost you pay once a year. Permanent DST is four months of late, dark mornings every year with no end date. Given the choice between a jolt and a chronic condition, I take the jolt.

The bill also has a structure that makes me more cautious. States that already keep permanent standard time, such as Hawaii and most of Arizona, could stay as they are. Other states could opt out only by adopting permanent standard time before the act takes effect. After that, the bill removes the existing exemption. Grand Rapids would get its 9:14 sunrises, and Michigan would need a new act of Congress to escape them. A reversible arrangement that annoys people is better than an irreversible one that harms them.

Where I could be wrong #

The strongest case for evening light is about roads and crime, and the evidence there doesn’t all point my way. Research on the existing DST period has found that more evening light reduces some robberies, and some traffic studies find that evening light prevents more pedestrian deaths than dark mornings cause, because more people are out in the evening, often tired or drinking. If that held up for midwinter specifically, it could outweigh the sleep argument, at least when counted in deaths. I don’t think the winter case has been settled either way, and I’m wary of anyone who says it has.

I could also be wrong about how people adapt. Schools could start later. Employers could shift hours. In principle a society can move its schedule to match a clock. In practice, the 1974 experiment suggests that a society would rather move the clock.

But consider what the bill actually asks you to vote on. It is not long summer evenings. You already have those. It is whether you want the sun to come up after nine on a January workday in Indianapolis. If you do, the bill is a good one. I suspect most of the people who support it have never been asked that question.

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The penny had it coming. I’m writing because the same argument is now aimed at the nickel, and I think the numbers say something different this time. I worked them out myself, and I’ll show my work, because I could be wrong.

The headline number #

In fiscal 2025 the Mint spent 13.31 cents to make and distribute each five-cent coin. That was the 20th year in a row the nickel cost more than its face value. In fiscal 2024 the figure was 13.78 cents. The same year a penny cost 3.69 cents, a dime 5.76, and a quarter 14.68 (CoinNews).

Put that way, the nickel sounds like the penny but worse. The penny lost about 2.7 cents per coin. The nickel loses more than 8. If the penny had to go, surely the nickel should go faster.

That reasoning treats a coin as if it were used up the moment it’s issued. It isn’t.

Spread it over a working life #

The Mint says a circulating coin lasts about 30 years. That’s a rough round number, and I’d want a better one, but take it as given. A nickel that costs 13.31 cents and stays in use for 30 years costs about 0.44 cents per year of service. The money actually lost, 8.31 cents above face value, works out to under 0.3 cents a year.

Compare the dollar bill, which nobody calls a fiscal scandal. The Federal Reserve puts the cost of printing a $1 note at 4.1 cents, with an expected life of 7.2 years. That’s about 0.57 cents per year. Counted per year in someone’s pocket, a nickel is cheaper for the government to supply than a dollar bill.

That comparison has limits. The bill carries twenty times the value. And the 30-year figure is an average that hides a lot of coins sitting in jars. But it shows that “costs more than it’s worth” is a statement about the day a coin is made. A coin keeps working long after that.

What the Mint is actually paying for #

In fiscal 2024 the Mint shipped 202 million nickels. At about 8.8 cents lost on each, that’s roughly $18 million. Fiscal 2025 shipments were much higher. Reports put them at about 600 million, but I couldn’t open the Mint’s annual report to confirm, so treat that figure carefully. If it’s right, the loss was around $50 million. Some of that jump is the penny’s fault: with no pennies to make change, stores need more nickels.

Even so, the Mint’s circulating coin business as a whole had positive seigniorage of $34.2 million in fiscal 2025. In other words, the coin system still made money overall. The dime and quarter covered the nickel.

What killing the nickel would cost #

The Richmond Fed did the useful version of this exercise. It used 3,559 real cash transactions from a payments diary, not simulated ones. It estimated that rounding to the nearest nickel costs cash payers about $6.06 million a year. That’s small next to what the penny cost to make, so the penny decision holds up.

Then the authors ran the same data without the nickel, rounding to the nearest dime. The cost to consumers rose to about $55.58 million a year, nine times as much.

To be fair, that comparison partly cuts against me. The Mint’s loss is real resources: metal, energy, labor. The rounding money doesn’t disappear. It moves from the people paying cash to the stores taking it, so as a cost to society it counts less. But who pays matters. People who still pay in cash tend to have less money, and surveys have found that for years. Ending the nickel would replace a federal cost spread across all taxpayers with a cost of similar size that falls on the people least able to pay it.

Fix the metal, not the coin #

The better fix is already in the bill. A nickel is 75 percent copper and 25 percent nickel. The Act lets the Treasury test a coin with a zinc core and nickel plating, provided it saves money and still works in vending machines and coin counters. Zinc cost roughly $7,000 a tonne less than copper last year. I don’t know whether a cheaper metal brings the nickel below five cents or only closer. Fabrication and distribution costs don’t depend much on the metal, and I couldn’t find a breakdown. But the coin doesn’t need to get all the way under face value. With the system as a whole profitable and a 30-year working life, it only needs to stop being the obvious line to cut.

The other lever is circulation. The Mint keeps minting partly because coins stop moving: they end up in drawers, car cupholders, and jars on dressers. I don’t have a good figure for how much coin is sitting idle. My guess is that it’s a large share, and that coins coming back into use would save more than any change of alloy. That’s speculation, and I’d be glad to see it checked.

Where I might be wrong #

The best argument against me is time. Cash keeps shrinking. If it shrinks fast enough, the $55 million rounding cost shrinks with it, and in fifteen years nobody will miss the nickel any more than Canadians miss the penny they dropped in 2012. If that’s the direction anyway, maybe it’s better to take the hit now than to spend money redesigning a coin on its way out.

I’d still wait. Dropping the penny was right because the rounding cost was tiny and the production loss was large. For the nickel, the two numbers are about the same size, and the rounding cost lands on the people who can least afford it. Thirteen cents per nickel makes a good headline, but it isn’t the number that should settle this.

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